Patrick Tate: Well. So it's there was no question in my mind. Sighting: An animal is seen by the public and is . And the clincher, What would you say was the most distinguishing feature? Patrick Tate: Okay. They are the same thing. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. What set it off was a National Geographic special on mountain lions in California, right after my daughter and I had two encounters in my driveway, Betty told me. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. This mountain lion was documented by DNA samples from Minnesota and Wisconsin between December 2009 and early 2010. Many people do not realize how large a grown Bobcat is. And it was this curiosity that led me to the Old Well Tavern in Simsbury, Connecticut, at a time of day (11:30 a.m.) that does not normally find me ensconced in the dim confines of a drinking establishment. A mountain lion can weigh well over 150 pounds, while a bobcat might weigh up to 35 pounds and reach 45 inches (tip of nose to end of tail); a coyote 50 pounds and 53 inches; or a lynx 35 pounds and 40 inches. On the idea of bear hunting in Connecticut. Mountain Lion Population (In Each U.S. State) - Wildlife Informer Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. The report came in from a conservation officer. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. State lawmakers have entertained bills to establish a bear hunting season for years, but so far, none of those proposals has passed. Absolutely. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Coyotes have been mistaken for mountain lions. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Mountain lions dont usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. And even the home entries are kind of changing. We strolled across the tavern parking lot and ducked into the forest, where Ottmann maintains a portion of his $15,000 worth of wildlife recording equipment (hes had no luck capturing a cougar on camera, though, despite more than a decade of trying). When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. And there are different schools of thought about that. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. MassWildlife has only confirmed 2 mountain lion reports in the last 30 years. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. Someone photographed the animal at the Brunswick School on Greenwich, Connecticut about 40 miles away on June 5th. but won big 2night. Really appreciate it. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Let us know your story and share your photos! NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Wild populations of mountain lion survive in southern Florida and in mountains of the West. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. So theres fresh mud. The Connecticut mountain lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. In the first, there are those such as myself, whove maybe heard a few second- or third- or fourth-hand stories as well as official denials from state agencies or professional biologists, and therefore find themselves betwixt and between, neither believing nor disbelieving. When a cats around, its not hard to find evidence. Have there been others reporting this big cat recently? Have you seen one. Yes. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. You know, weve had so many home entries this year. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. But people in the region are posting like crazy online to the New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators., Megafauna mania: our obsession with mountain lions and other large predators, Manchester installs monitors to track air quality disparities. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. In 2011, the U.S. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. Morse introduced me to her cat, Allister, whom she referred to as her portable puma. Then she fetched me a beer. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Carol Ann P., of Hinsdale, wrote, Thank you for the very informative article on invasive species! There was a tin of American Spirit tobacco on the table (Ottmanns), a laptop (Bettys), a notebook (mine), and a tumbler of Bacardi and Coke (Ottmanns again). You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. If mountain lions returned to Massachusetts, there is no need to update current forest management practices. So now what's going on. Do they travel. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. You could have 50. Evidence considered could include "the body of a dead mountain lion or a live wild-captured animal; photos or video, in which a mountain lion can be identified and MassWildlife can confirm the location; DNA evidence from hair, scat, etc. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. I didn't realize mullein was an invasive even though I have it popping up in strange placesin my yard every year. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. I tracked cats and all the western states. He drove me out to the spot. Betsy started as an intern at WNPR in 2011 after earning a Master's Degree in American and Museum Studies from Trinity College. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. It was his great coolness and daring (either that, or fear) that enabled Crowell to shoot the animal at a distance of one rod only (roughly 16 feet), first hitting it in the leg with his shotgun, then dispatching it with a bullet to the head from a borrowed rifle. While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say Otherwise. Caller: Hi. Tracking experts Paul Rezendes, Charles Worsham, George Leoniak, and Dr. Mark Elbroch examined the photos. And yet there I was, on a Saturday in early November, crammed into a booth with Bo Ottmann, 48, and Bill Betty, 72, of Cougars of the Valley, the organization that Ottmann founded in 2007 to gather evidence of and alert the public to the big cats living among us. On a dirt road. For who but we humans can look across the landscape and not acknowledge our role in the diminishment of cougars and the myriad ways in which we have knocked the landscape out of balance? All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. It was a favorite of Euell Gibbons and I thought it was natures remedy for coughs and colds. I was able to look up the particulars and photos online. When they fly, it is more like a burst and reaches around 50 mph. Hey, I know what I saw. You have permission to edit this article. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Records suggest that cash bounties for cougar kills were relatively common in the late 1700s and early 1800s; in the Adirondacks, a trapper named Thomas Meacham was credited with 77 cougar kills. There was no sign of it. We have people eating dinner in their kitchen, they hear a noise, all of a sudden a bear walks in, so they run into their bedroom to get away from the bear, while the bears out ransacking their refrigerator. Please do not include personal or contact information. Those are the two closest populations that we have here. And the cougar embodies that. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Like Tate, he gets a lot of photos and . As a carnivore biologist, Hawley says he would love it if mountain lions were here. Pelosi story here we go. Thanks for a great thanks. In March 2011, DCR forester Steve Ward photographed a track trail in the snow near the Gate 8 boat launch area of Quabbin Reservoir. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Re (1): Bobcats in Feeding Hills - By weather01089 October 6, 2014 at 06:44:20 PM. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Mountain Lions in Massachusetts It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Thank you. MassWildlife uses evidence-based criteria to confirm reports of mountain lions and does not investigate or confirm reports without evidence. Many people do not realize how large a grown Bobcat is. Thank you in advance., Thomas P. wrote, I never thought coltsfoot was invasive. Colorado and California have the highest estimated populations of mountain lions in the United States. If we end up with a population, it will be the result of a colonizer female who gets here somehow, some way, and the rest will be history.. Because he lives among them, Harrigan understands that no one knows the woods better. Most mountain lion sightings are reported without any evidence other than eyewitness descriptions. Can we go to the site. A: It is less common than many other invasives but is found here in the Berkshires. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Its documented through track surveys, aerial surveys, trapping and collaring surveys. He is a consummate storyteller, and he wears on his sleeve his affection for the region and the hard-working, commonsense people who inhabit it. by BCR. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. And it was unmistakable. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. The feedback will only be used for improving the website. Many, many times, in many different ways along its travel up through Minnesota, Michigan and to Canada, down through New York, through hair samples, blood samples, trail camera photos. Betty folded his arms across his chest, where they rose and fell and rose again with his breathing. And so we come to the great divide over cougars in New England. And consider, for a moment, the concern and outright fear an official acknowledgment of such a carnivorous and predatory creature might evoke. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. 3. Please limit your input to 500 characters. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Yes and you want to share what you learned. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Q:While walking October Mountain just recently, I am sure I saw a mountain lion. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Were getting more and more home entries every year. Cougar truthers are certain that the big cat is living and breeding again in New England. Alleged Athol MA picture - By weather01089 September 8, 2016 at 12:35:45 PM. In 1994, scat collected after a sighting in Craftsbury, Vermont, was found to contain cougar hair (the animals are prone to ingesting their hair while grooming), and the commissioner of the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department circulated a memo with the following line: It is possible that cougars of unknown origin may be breeding to a limited extent in Vermont. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Morse is a Vermont-based naturalist and the founder of Keeping Track, a nonprofit that trains people in the scientific protocols needed to detect, interpret, record, and monitor wildlife tracks and signs. What time of day was it? There are an estimated 3,000 - 7,000 Mountain lions in Colorado. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. The tavern was quiet except for some hard-rock music playing on the radio, the murmur of a handful of men at the bar, and us. What to know about unconfirmed mountain lion sightings in CT Some page levels are currently hidden. Today, mountain lions are found in the mountainous regions of the West. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Really appreciate it. Evidence could include the body of a dead mountain lion or a live wild-captured animal; photos or video, in which a mountain lion can be identified and MassWildlife can confirm the location; DNA evidence from hair, scat, etc. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35 to 40 pounds. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. There was the vaguest of trails, crisscrossed by deadfalls and a sharp-thorned bush that soon drew blood from Ottmanns right hand. I mean they're a survivor. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Responding to complaints about a predator eating a local farmers sheep, Crowell and a small group of fellow hunters had tracked the big cat through the snow. On another large animal that is most definitely here: bears. Mountain lions are solitary and . And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. It is considered an invasive species brought by early settlers from Europe (my guess Great Britain) for medicinal purposes and grown for a variety of ailments, among them in those days, leprosy. In 2011, a dead western mountain lion was found in Connecticut after it got hit by a car. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Mar 1, 2017 - All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. We met for lunch on a Sunday morning in early March, and it didnt take long for me to understand why Harrigan is such a popular columnist. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Betty, for instance, has presented on Eastern cougars more than 300 times, gathering many hundreds of sighting reports in the process. Re(2): Webster update - Misunderstanding! and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Now and then MassWildlife gets a report with a photo of a mountain lion. Seal pup cuteness best observed from a distance, 70% ineligible in start of NH Medicaid unwinding. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. But perhaps an even larger portion is the product of his enduring faith in the men and womanloggers, hunters, trapperswhose vocations and avocations have instilled in them a deep familiarity with wild places and the creatures who inhabit them. A 2011 article from The Post and Courier revealed a string of unconfirmed mountain lion sightings in the Lowcountry. There are no mountain lions in Connecticut, so why do we keep seeing them? Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. A:I have hoped to see a big cat, that is bigger than a bobcat, since NatureWatch began getting reports in the 1980s. Oh well, not much I can do about that., William B., of Pittsfield wrote, I learned something from your column about invasive species. And were one of the most densely populated states as far as humans. If theres a middle ground in the cougar debate, it belongs to John Harrigan, a veteran outdoorsman, newspaper reporter, and widely read syndicated columnist. October 24, 2010. in News World. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. All other reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts have turned out to be other animals. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. His mention of these encounters was so matter-of-fact that I found myself nodding along. Hawley, a wildlife biologist with the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, says data dont support a breeding population of mountain lions in Connecticut. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. A few years later, though, the scat was retested with DNA analysis and found to be canid, rather than feline, in origin. Morse founded Keeping Track in the belief that getting citizens interested and engaged in wildlife will have the knock-on effect of getting them interested and engaged in how land-use decisions affect wild populationsand might provide the impetus for conservation efforts. We know that strays have wandered through New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts; that does not indicate that a sighting means we have a resident mountain lion in the Berkshires. Mass.gov is a registered service mark of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Prior to becoming a reporter, he was the founding producer of Connecticut Public Radio's The Colin McEnroe Show, which began in 2009. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Does not test random Scouts. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. But it also sort of instills that fear, a healthy fear of humans and bears. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. There were pine cones on window sills, a well-used hatchet and a variety of animal figurines on display, and, near the television, a stack of videos including.
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